Comments on: Sultans of Swing – The alternate single version and the demo version – sound and gear http://www.mk-guitar.com/blog/2009/11/18/sultans-of-swing-the-alternate-single-version-and-the-demo-version_sound_and_gear/ Ingo Raven's blog about the Mark Knopfler guitar style and electric guitar in general Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:15:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Erik van Heeswijk http://www.mk-guitar.com/blog/2009/11/18/sultans-of-swing-the-alternate-single-version-and-the-demo-version_sound_and_gear/comment-page-1/#comment-4981 Erik van Heeswijk Fri, 08 Apr 2011 11:10:41 +0000 http://www.mk-guitar.com/blog/?p=1345#comment-4981 The single version was also released in the Netherlands. Bought it myself in 1978. The single version was also released in the Netherlands. Bought it myself in 1978.

]]> By: terry http://www.mk-guitar.com/blog/2009/11/18/sultans-of-swing-the-alternate-single-version-and-the-demo-version_sound_and_gear/comment-page-1/#comment-4650 terry Sun, 21 Nov 2010 19:28:57 +0000 http://www.mk-guitar.com/blog/?p=1345#comment-4650 thank you ingo for taking time out to reply take care terry thank you ingo for taking time out to reply take care terry

]]> By: Ingo http://www.mk-guitar.com/blog/2009/11/18/sultans-of-swing-the-alternate-single-version-and-the-demo-version_sound_and_gear/comment-page-1/#comment-4649 Ingo Fri, 19 Nov 2010 14:22:54 +0000 http://www.mk-guitar.com/blog/?p=1345#comment-4649 Hi Terry, the words "thank you" there are on both the single and the demo version, so can't tell. Hi Terry, the words “thank you” there are on both the single and the demo version, so can’t tell.

]]> By: terry http://www.mk-guitar.com/blog/2009/11/18/sultans-of-swing-the-alternate-single-version-and-the-demo-version_sound_and_gear/comment-page-1/#comment-4644 terry Tue, 16 Nov 2010 21:41:07 +0000 http://www.mk-guitar.com/blog/?p=1345#comment-4644 hi been reading everyones comments about sultans of swing demo i have a 45 single blank on both sides except for capital A on one side it has a number 6059206A/5420W on A side he says thank you. between goodnight.and now its time to go. so im pretty sure its early demo of song im not a big fan of the group just curious as to value and rarity can you guys help? posted 16/11/10 thank you terry hi been reading everyones comments about sultans of swing demo i have a 45 single blank on both sides except for capital A on one side it has a number 6059206A/5420W on A side he says thank you. between goodnight.and now its time to go. so im pretty sure its early demo of song im not a big fan of the group just curious as to value and rarity can you guys help? posted 16/11/10 thank you terry

]]> By: Harry (doesn't mind) http://www.mk-guitar.com/blog/2009/11/18/sultans-of-swing-the-alternate-single-version-and-the-demo-version_sound_and_gear/comment-page-1/#comment-3738 Harry (doesn't mind) Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:59:23 +0000 http://www.mk-guitar.com/blog/?p=1345#comment-3738 Hello! The discussion about the pick up(s)used on the album version is quite interesting. What about jacking up the middle pick up and lowering down the neck pick up? Just use a screwdriver and you can get some amazing results. Of course, the same thing can be done with the other pick ups. Hello!
The discussion about the pick up(s)used on the album version is quite interesting. What about jacking up the middle pick up and lowering down the neck pick up? Just use a screwdriver and you can get some amazing results. Of course, the same thing can be done with the other pick ups.

]]> By: Billy http://www.mk-guitar.com/blog/2009/11/18/sultans-of-swing-the-alternate-single-version-and-the-demo-version_sound_and_gear/comment-page-1/#comment-3595 Billy Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:32:38 +0000 http://www.mk-guitar.com/blog/?p=1345#comment-3595 dear Ingo, I have been looking for the demo version of the sultans for a very long time. It was a pleasure to hear it through your site. Is there a way, to get a hold of it? Looking forward to hear from you. Billy dear Ingo,
I have been looking for the demo version of the sultans for a very long time.
It was a pleasure to hear it through your site.
Is there a way, to get a hold of it?
Looking forward to hear from you.
Billy

]]> By: Jean-François http://www.mk-guitar.com/blog/2009/11/18/sultans-of-swing-the-alternate-single-version-and-the-demo-version_sound_and_gear/comment-page-1/#comment-3023 Jean-François Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:26:47 +0000 http://www.mk-guitar.com/blog/?p=1345#comment-3023 1) On MKnews-Biogs, TK explains that the demo was recorded on July the 27th, not the 2. :) 2) "It was probably not painted red yet but had a wood finish" Yes, and it always seems strange to me to think of Mark with a natural wood finish strat. As Danny said recently, when we think of Mark with a guitar we always get at least a red Strat (even if it is Schecter), but thinking of him with a guitar that looks like Ritchie Blackmore`s one (even if Blackmore`s one was a 70`s model with large headstock), it has a kind of surrealistic icon ! Unfortunately, the pictures of this era are only B&W, so it looks quite the same as red. I would love to see a color pic of Mark with his natural wood finish strat. Maybe one day… 3) On the demo version, the licks of the "chorus" pattern are inverted compared to later versions, they are in the "right" order from Leeds 01/78 4) About the pick-up position, I always wonder : which pickup is used on the album version ? Sometimes it sounds like middle, and sometimes like middle+bridge. As you said that the demo version seems to be only middle, maybe the album version is the same, and he decided to change the position just for the single version, and then he kept his position later (apart on OES tour, he played it with neck + middle, like on TR) What makes me think that is, that on the single version, he introduce for the first time the few bars at the end of the outro, just before the final arpeggios (they didn`t exist the day before, on chester gig,the date of recording the single came from diary on neck & neck). So maybe, he decided also to change the "sound" of the song : more distortion and compression, more liks, and a different combination of pick-ups ?... Anecdote : on the recent Hurlingham Club princes trust gig, he explains how cames the ideas of the last solo to his mind, and he don`t play this few bars added on 20/04/78, he plays it like on the album version: the "descending scale" and then directly the arpeggios. Jean-François PS : I had posted some thoughts about the Sultans evolution between july 77 and may 78 on the Eastbound Train post. :) 1) On MKnews-Biogs, TK explains that the demo was recorded on July the 27th, not the 2. :)

2) “It was probably not painted red yet but had a wood finish”
Yes, and it always seems strange to me to think of Mark with a natural wood finish strat. As Danny said recently, when we think of Mark with a guitar we always get at least a red Strat (even if it is Schecter), but thinking of him with a guitar that looks like Ritchie Blackmore`s one (even if Blackmore`s one was a 70`s model with large headstock), it has a kind of surrealistic icon !
Unfortunately, the pictures of this era are only B&W, so it looks quite the same as red. I would love to see a color pic of Mark with his natural wood finish strat. Maybe one day…

3) On the demo version, the licks of the “chorus” pattern are inverted compared to later versions, they are in the “right” order from Leeds 01/78

4) About the pick-up position, I always wonder : which pickup is used on the album version ? Sometimes it sounds like middle, and sometimes like middle+bridge.
As you said that the demo version seems to be only middle, maybe the album version is the same, and he decided to change the position just for the single version, and then he kept his position later (apart on OES tour, he played it with neck + middle, like on TR)
What makes me think that is, that on the single version, he introduce for the first time the few bars at the end of the outro, just before the final arpeggios (they didn`t exist the day before, on chester gig,the date of recording the single came from diary on neck & neck).
So maybe, he decided also to change the “sound” of the song : more distortion and compression, more liks, and a different combination of pick-ups ?…
Anecdote : on the recent Hurlingham Club princes trust gig, he explains how cames the ideas of the last solo to his mind, and he don`t play this few bars added on 20/04/78, he plays it like on the album version: the “descending scale” and then directly the arpeggios.

Jean-François

PS : I had posted some thoughts about the Sultans evolution between july 77 and may 78 on the Eastbound Train post. :)

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