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    21:08
    4. March 2010


    TheWizzard29

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    posts 18

    Hello,


    I know that Mark used a Crate Vintage Club 50 amp with EVM 12-L speakers (VC 5212) on that DVD but i have always wondered how he achieved that sound with the Pensa-Suhr and Les Paul. Did he use the overdrive channel of the amp, the poweramp distortion or the clean channel with an overdrive pedal?


    I have got a Crate Vintage Club 50, too. So I am very interested how he achieved that sound.

    12:33
    10. May 2010


    Emiel

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    posts 8

    Hi,

    A bit late reply but maybe I can help you. I think Knopfler hardly used any overdrive pedals in his career… he seems like prefer tube overdrive from old style amps (Fenders, Marshall). I never heard these Crate Vintage 50 amps (once nearly bought one) but I bet they sound wonderful. I think I have seen a channel switcher on his board in the 'A Night In London' dvd. I'd say he did use the overdrive channel for overdrive and the clean channel for cleans. What kind of guitars do you use? I found out that new Les Pauls sound just way too thick and dark to achieve thát sound…

    I noticed that Mark had a thick dark sound with his Les Pauls on this recording, sounds like he didn't change settings between the different guitars… it sounds a bit too dark and thick with the Les Pauls to me… if you compare it to later recordings. Too bad he didn't use the Crates on the following tour, due to reliability issues I heard?

    23:39
    21. May 2010


    TheWizzard29

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    posts 18

    Hi,


    you are right these amps sound indeed wonderful. Mine has got a great clean channel but I don't often use the overdrive channel.


    Let's take 'Sultans Of Swing' or 'Gravy Train' for example. It isn't a distorted sound, but neither it is a clean sound. That's why I thought it would be the power amp distortion for the Pensa-Suhr. On Going Home, Father and Son and Golden Heart there is a clean sound. On the Les Pauls there is a distorted sound but where does it come from? I meanwhile think there wasn't an overdrive pedal. So it must be the power amp distortion again or the overdrive channel. In my opinion it is the greatest sound of a Les Paul I have ever heard.


    To my guitars:

    I have got three strats (one of them with Seymour Duncan SSL 5 t pickups)

    and a Les Paul of the 70's (with a Bare Knuckle The Mule on the neck position)


    For the distorted sound I use a DIY Tubescreamer or a DIY Zendrive pedal. With these pedals I geat a great crunch sound which sounds more like Mark's 'new' Les Paul sound.


    Greetings

    TheWizzard29

    23:39
    21. May 2010


    TheWizzard29

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    posts 18

    Hi,


    you are right these amps sound indeed wonderful. Mine has got a great clean channel but I don't often use the overdrive channel.


    Let's take 'Sultans Of Swing' or 'Gravy Train' for example. It isn't a distorted sound, but neither it is a clean sound. That's why I thought it would be the power amp distortion for the Pensa-Suhr. On Going Home, Father and Son and Golden Heart there is a clean sound. On the Les Pauls there is a distorted sound but where does it come from? I meanwhile think there wasn't an overdrive pedal. So it must be the power amp distortion again or the overdrive channel. In my opinion it is the greatest sound of a Les Paul I have ever heard.


    To my guitars:

    I have got three strats (one of them with Seymour Duncan SSL 5 t pickups)

    and a Les Paul of the 70's (with a Bare Knuckle The Mule on the neck position)


    For the distorted sound I use a DIY Tubescreamer or a DIY Zendrive pedal. With these pedals I geat a great crunch sound which sounds more like Mark's 'new' Les Paul sound.


    Greetings

    TheWizzard29

    08:12
    27. July 2010


    mkstylee

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    posts 3

    if you look at the side of the crate theres a marshall cab ,which probably is connected back to a soldano slo 100 head back stage ,just an amp switcher and youve got the two channels of the soldano and two channels of the crate ,so 4 varying ammounts of clean/gain can be had, i reckon anyways

    be good to one another ,take care of one another and we'll be around so see you next time alright!!

    13:40
    29. July 2010


    TheWizzard29

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    posts 18

    I noticed the Marshall cab but I think that the SLO sounds more open than the Crate. Maybe they connected the Crate to the cabinet or it was just a dummy cab?

    23:45
    29. July 2010


    Emiel

    The Netherlands

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    posts 8

    Hi,

    If I read an old interview carefully, the A Night In London gig was the very first of the tour (or was it pre-tour?) and he used just the Crates through his trusty Marshall cabs (with Electro Voice speakers). Then the Crates proved to be unreliable and he switched back to the Soldano's…

    I've watched Knopfler carefully on his last tour and noticed this: he's always very loud in the overall mix. He sets his amp(s) at a medium gain level, and because he is so damn loud he can adjust the volume controls on his guitar to set the maximum amount of gain. Finally he uses the volume pedal to control the overall volume ánd again, the gain. As you'll notice Les Paul's are louder and have more mids than Strats… in other words, they will overdrive the amp more. My main rig consists of a Les Paul and a Tele and when I switch from the first to the latter there's a big drop in gain just because the Tele lacks the mids and output of the Les Paul….

    It's said that when Mark had his Komet rig, he had one for clean and one for a dirty tone. It could very well be that the same thing applies for his current Reinhardt rig or when he played through the Soldano's and Crates. Knopfler seems to have a fairly light touch so when he digs in he gets more gain. Thats imho the key aspect what a guitar player makes a great one, i.e. total control over your guitar. With the quieter songs, like Golden Heart, Going Home, the band is lower in volume as well you can cut the gain by lowering the volume control on the guitar and playing with a lighter touch…

    Cheers,
    Emiel

    00:03
    30. July 2010


    Emiel

    The Netherlands

    Member

    posts 8

    Hi mate,

    Just found this on Guy Fletcher's site… sorts of answers your questions..

    Dear Guy yet another gear question, je suis désolé :-) are the Reinhardts which which are located on stage, only "dummy" amps ore are they really used ? best regards and many thanks Yes they are dummies, the two real amps are over by Glenn, this is simply so that he can change the settings. It would be daft for him to run onstage to do it wouldn't it.

    Later Guy says the onstage amps are actually on and plugged in but not used. The onstage cabs aren't dummies.

    Cheers,
    Emiel

    09:56
    30. July 2010


    Ingo

    Admin

    posts 69

    You are right with what you say, just an addition: the amp settings are normally changed for each individual song so the Les Paul does not automatically mean more drive or more volume. They have two (or more) amps so that Glenn Saggers can adjust amp B for the next song while Knopfler plays amp A.

    13:45
    30. July 2010


    TheWizzard29

    Member

    posts 18

    Post edited 13:48 – 30. July 2010 by TheWizzard29


    Hi,


    Hi mate,

    Just found this on Guy Fletcher's site… sorts of answers your questions..

    Dear Guy yet another gear question, je suis désolé :-) are the Reinhardts which which are located on stage, only "dummy" amps ore are they really used ? best regards and many thanks Yes they are dummies, the two real amps are over by Glenn, this is simply so that he can change the settings. It would be daft for him to run onstage to do it wouldn't it.

    Later Guy says the onstage amps are actually on and plugged in but not used. The onstage cabs aren't dummies.

    Cheers,


    Emiel


    I also read this post on the forum and I thougt it was vice versa with the Crates, which means that the amps were used and the cabinets were dummys.


    Maybe the settings were the same during the concert in London and they didn't change it.

    If you take a closer look, you can see that the 2 cabinets and the Crate are miced.


    Best Wishes and thanks for your answers

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